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War Protestation Standards by avary War Protestation Standards by avary
Debate time! A lot of people [where] protesting an hypothetical US war against Iraq and maybe rightly so. (Time will tell, remember Chamberlain's 1938 "Peace in our times" declaration?).

But since all wars are bad, evil, and immoral I'm still waiting for people to protest the french invasion of Ivory Coast (why are they invading this small country anyway? Is it to gain a monopoly on cocoa, or to exact revenge for their World Cup defeat? Beats me.).

I think I have an explanation and I don't like it. Maybe people will show me that I'm wrong and start protesting France. And they will also remember to protest Russia, China, Zimbabwe and Burundi while they're at it.

Ma participation à un projet du groupe ~francophones Et voilà!
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F4Uflyer Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Beacuse no one gives a crap about France and Ivory Coast, and it's easier to protest against a nation that's big
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Kilasm Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Invasion of Ivory Coast? France had respect its protection agreement signed with the Ivory Coast, in case of foreign attack and / or rebels. The Ivory Coast has not been invaded by French army.
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MrLovelessss Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
That's bad but funny 
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HollywoodMarine2171 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2012
Too true, unfortunately...
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Beliaranzo Featured By Owner May 10, 2010
Oho! I learn something new every day!
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Harris2300 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2008
Let's see here for a moment, shall we? Be it England, Spain, France, or Portugal, Europeans have always taken great pride in their colonial past even if all the colonies did was kill the locals through direct attack or disease. There was one documentary made by a European that was sharply critical of colonialism but the person who produced it got chewed up pretty bad by pro-empire critics.
But hey, what's an empire without torture and misery for the locals? What's a government without lies and corporate ties?
It's like an army without solders. It's like a gun with no ammo. . . It's like a world without empires.
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blambajzm111 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2007
thats F#$#@ing true i saw a freaking sick video of British soldiers beating the crap out of civilians and it sounded like the dude with the camera was jacking of to it!!!!![link]
Anger
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halohat Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2007
french army, haha what army. we have the French to thank for Veitnam too. dont get me wrong, french people are normal amazing human beings, but the government...... i dont like so much. nice peice, i love your style.
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Orkideh84 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
thank you, thank you for showing this! Europe are not much better either....
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Wesly Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2005
IM just throwin this one out there... but is it possible, that people just see America as sort of a scape goat, for lack of a better word. Like whenever something is wrong with an area on Earth one way or another someone tries to blame it on America.... Than when we dont do anything about it they complain that we are being slefish and lazy. So we go and do something about it and all of a sudden we are war criminals. Theres really no pleasing anyone anymore. It kinda seems like they all blame us because maybe way deep in the back of their minds theyre a bit jelouse of everything we have going for us here in the awesome USA. God Bless us I still say. Ill always support my country.
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halohat Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2007
we are the scapegoats. we are an ally to other countries at their convenionce, they beg us to help and then stab us in the back, makes you feel good doesn't it. keep up the support, every american, willing or not needs it.
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SixArmedWerewolf Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2005
I'm pretty grey on the Iraq war, and that it dominates politcs of conflict entirely makes me sick. Great comic with a great point!

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wiredforsoundd Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2005
i like the satire, but what happend in the Ivory Coast is hardly comparable to whats happening in Iraq.
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outside-9-walls Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2005   Digital Artist
i think ppl will always like to fight the power cos they think its cool, and recite from theyre favoutrite anti-war anti bush documentaries cos they know they dont actually have an opinion, and just use it so they can all sit with each other and just agree on everything cos theyre scared of debate.

this is great, cos its shows these type of ppl wat else is going on and probably wakes them up a bit, or just makes them quieter, either way im faving this...
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avary Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2005  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks.
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outside-9-walls Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2005   Digital Artist
ur welcome, lol, i shud have just sed i was gonna fav this, instead of all the bull, i forget wat i sed, weirdly
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glade-dweller Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2004
Thank you.

Blatant hypocrisy is rampant and no one wants to hear any other story or opinion unless it agrees with their own. And they dare to call themselves open-minded? If you really believe in what you believe in, then your ideas should hold up under criticism and you shouldn't be afraid to subject them to it. The truth hurts - especially when it takes 50 or 100 years to come out.

I don't care who or what anyone is for. You are your own person and you're entitled to whatever position you choose. But don't be hateful to others for disagreeing with you. Just agree to disagree and like decent, civil human beings.

Thank you, avary, for looking at more than one side. And for sharing it with others.
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Lina-Bloom Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2004
you have a very good point and I admire you for it...thanx for actually using your brain..that is rare these days.
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avary Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
brain. Is that one of those martial arts thing?
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paradoxal Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2004
You make an excellent point, I think.
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luvbugbub03 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think this is a great piece, people can be so ignorant at times and its disgusting, good for you on getting this important news out.
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nillia Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2004  Professional General Artist
Thank you. It's good to see somebody is viewing the whole picture.
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Maadob Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2004
Russia is, in fact, coming for some criticism, as what's going on in Chechnya is presumably much more bloody than the Iraq operation. Only nobody in "The West" protests. Only your massmedia don't broadcast from Chechnya. It's less 'cool' to go protest that, I guess...

On the other hand, I would not compare the Ivory Coast situation to Iraq. As l-courni pointed out, France pretty much tries to settle the situation there as the two sides keep butchering each other, in order to protect the French population of the Ivory Coast. Of course, influences are also an issue here. But still, the military actions of France are waaay different from the invasions of Iraq and Chechnya, when a superpower arbitrarily picks a country to be its weapons testing site, it's strategic base and then drenches it from all the riches the victim country has - and almost levels it to the ground.

I like the cartoon though. It's hilarious and certainly does touch upon something important - yes, sadly, we do tend not to identify with people whom we see as different from ourselves. Still, Arabs aren't very alike to most of us Europeans and Americans either, now are they (well, if you live in France you may be seeing it differently than I, a Pole, do. I dunno. But remember, it's not only about your country - it's almost global, right?).

To sum up: I don't think it's about the place, the actors, the cause... it's about how wide the discourse on a given issue is. America is, largely, a medial culture and the noise made around Iraq reaches everybody. The other bloody affaird around the world don't get this kind of publicity. In other words, "Out of TV screen, out of mind."
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avary Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks for your comments. My main gripe is about the fact that people who oppose war oppose it ONLY when a certain country which shall remain nameless engages in it.

I think it would be better to oppose war period. No matter who engages in it. Where are the protest marches against the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan? (Then again, the people of Darfur are black Africans, so who cares?). The protest marches against the occupation of Tibet by China? (Then again, the Dalai-Lama has never murdered a Jew or blamed the United States, so who cares?).

As for the French operation in Ivory Coast, has any network broacast this video? (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES).

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buildingclimber Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2004
RIGHT ON MAN!! Bout time the French take some heat for their litlle wars for business and political interests .. How are they different from U.S..?? answer..they're not. the worm has turned and the cat is caught. :clap: :clap: :salute:
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killowatt Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2004
hehe this is good

seen a couple protests against the US being a nuclear power, guess they forget which country defied the international treaties and tested nukes in the ocean during the early 90s. Ah thats right, france :) and in the name of national security to boot..

France has an interesting history with attacking african countries this past century, even more interesting their number of colonies.. and I thought people called the U.S. imperialists!
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pontiac Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2003
LOL some names came to my mind... Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Iran, Panamá, Kosovo Colateral damage, bombing Hospitals, Afeganistan "excesses" and now Liberia say: Help! and Bush says: Sorry pal but i can't put our american chevys working with cocoa. No Oil No "Protection"
Think about that
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whatthetruck Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2003
If america supported Liberia there would be even more protests. You can't please everyone
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culturalflux Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2003
Rarrr, kill France because they used their democratic power of dissent in the UN. I admit that their intervention in Sierra Leone is another unjust outbreak of violence, but it pales in comparison to the history of U.S. police actions and "quick wars". I like the style, but... oh wait, what the fuck is that in the background? Saddam = good Bush = bad? I think the general consensus is that Bush is bad within the anti-war movement, but you know damn well nobody that's PRO-PEACE supports Saddam. That's an immediate dislike. I was going to say I enjoy your style, but putting that there is just totally fucking ignorant.
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supergordito Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2003
So, If France does an injustice US is free to make more?

Anti-war protesters don't take sides with any of Irak or US, it's Anti-war Get it?



That thing with Bush is bad and Saddam is good is just stupid, I haven't seen that anywhere on rallyes.

Stupid.

But nice cartoon
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maria-theresa Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2003
thanks for informing me, didn't know that....

That is funny TOO.....
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bewbaloo Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2003
viva la cowards, I mean, France. :D (Big Grin)


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pdaoust Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2003
oh wait.... completely disregard that comment... idiot me, I didn't notice the symbol on the guy's red beret and shoulder. I thought he was an Iraqi :| (Blank Stare) what a doofus I am.

And again, good cartooning.
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pdaoust Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2003
Excellent art; you have a very good grasp of line and posing. Colours are great too. But I do sorta think you've taken too simplistic a view of the protesters: most of the ones I know are equally as against Hussein and his terrible, inhumane government as they are against Bush. They're simply protesting the Bush administration's treatment of the situation. Although maybe the situation is different over there? here, people are simply requesting that a different method of ousting Hussein be found.
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spinning-plates Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2003   Writer
Haha, I love this. Most people probably don't even know about the French situation that you mentioned, not even the protestors of the war in Iraq. I love this image. It's such a mockery of ignorant people that make me lose all faith in humanity and make me want to stab myself. Everyday at school, I hear people talking about how they want to go "shoot some ragheads", and when asked why they want war, they say to free the citizens from evil dictatorship. If they care so much about the Iraqui citizen's human rights, why would they make such blatantly racist and culturally insulting statements about killing ragheads. Its beyond me. And despite their hypocritical rants about human rights ending the dictatorship, they probably don't even know where Tibet or the Ivory Coast are.

This image, however, might just have restored my faith in humanity meter by 0.00001% ;p

I dig. Satire ownz.
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euphoria Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2003
bravo.

+fav.
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aurae Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2003
Ah at last someone with the gumption to display the truth. Please, lets have a little more
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patryck Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2003   Photographer
so true. :favs:
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sodawax Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2003
Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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encore Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2003
for the same reason americans seem to be very keen on "ending the dictatorship" on iraq but didn't seem to give a shit for timor, tibet, nicaragua or many other places where human rights were taken as a joke. "hipocrisy" goes for both sides then.

but I like this piece, it's a very decent comic work, worthy of showing up on a magazine :) (Smile)
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werdna Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2003
LOL!
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ilblissli Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2003
simple and to the point. Great job on this Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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birdman Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2003
MAKE MORE MAKE MORE MAKE MORE!!!!!!

I am a huge fan of satire, and i particularily LOVE this peice.

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME

-Andrew
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sigmax Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2003
/me loves the FAMAS. Nice little accuracy the black guy is cute looking, too!
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v3fusion Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2003
Hehe quite true.
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flosaurus Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2003  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Contra... the comment in french is not directed to you i guess but to the artist itself !!
I won't make you a translation as you certainly know where babelfish is on the internet?

Also on a side note, this comment in french talks about the francophones group and avary's work for our Megadev. There is no need for you to know or understand what they say...

It is up to savary to answer.


Désolé Avary de pourrir ta page avec un commentaire qui n'est pas dirigé vers ton dessin mais tu voulais un débat donc on commence :D (Big Grin)
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l-courni Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2003
hmm, ouais le dessin est bien fait mais bon... Roll Eyes ... bah mon docteur me dit de pas m'énerver trop...et moi...je m'énerve :D (Big Grin)
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contra Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2003
LOL good for you... and that person who commented in french is a meanie because we have no idea what he is saying and i'm way to lazy to put it though a translator... Nod
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avary Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2003  Professional Traditional Artist
The ball is rolling! Keep them coming!

Le débat est lancé! Ajoutez votre grain de sel!
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francophones Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2003
Merci de proposer ce travail.

Comme le dit Vor, le coté technique est vraiment excellent =) (Smile)

malgré tout, j'émets quelques réserves quant à son intégration dans la MegaDev.
En effet, il s'agissait du sujet "Les Francophones contre la Guerre"
J'espere que tu comprendras que meme si la satire est sympa, ca ne cadre pas avec le sujet; certains meme pourraient considérer que c'est aux antipodes d'une solution pacifiste, du genre "Ils tapent sur les noirs, pourquoi ils nous empechent d'aller taper sur des arabes?"
Bien sur, je ne doute aps de tes intentions pacifistes, vu que tu soumets une déviation à la MegaDev "Contre la Guerre", mais cette carricature pourrait être mal comprise et interpretée

Nous ne pouvons donc pas l'intégrer à la MegaDev 3

J'espere que tu comprendras notre démarche, que tu y es un peu trop allé à la ninja ce coup ci ;) (Wink)

bien sur, tu peux proposer un autre dessin, qui sera intégré s'il cadre bien avec le sujet (et puis s'il est de cette qualité graphique, ce sera d'autant mieux :D (Big Grin) )

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